GIGABYTE GA-J1800N-D2H Review: Dual Core Bay Trail-D at $69by Ian Cutress on December 26, 2014 11:00 AM EST
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Our recent review of the HP Stream 11 by Brett Howse, featuring a dual core Bay Trail-M, made me wonder about the utility of such a desktop system with Bay Trail-D. Despite testing the J1800N-D2H earlier in the year but not writing a review, I thought it best to polish of the data and see if it still relevant alongside the $200 offerings and worth the potential extra cost for a full build to fill out a motherboard in exchange for the potential extra functionality (2T2R WiFi rather than 1T1R, SATA drives rather than eMMC).
The 10W Celeron J1800 SoC sits at the bottom of Intel's Bay Trail-D range, featuring a dual core with a 2.41 GHz base allowing a turbo mode up to 2.58 GHz with dual channel memory at DDR3-1333.
|Intel Bay Trail-D|
|Base Frequency / MHz||2410||2410||2000||2000||2410||2410|
|Turbo Frequency / MHz||-||2580||-||2420||-||2670|
|TDP||10 W||10 W||10 W||10 W||10 W||10 W|
|Tmax / ºC||100||105||100||105||100||105|
|Integrated Graphics||HD (Bay Trail)|
|IGP Frequency / MHz||688||688||688||688||688||688|
|IGP Turbo / MHz||750||792||792||854||792||896|
In terms of competition, AMD's Kabini launch in the middle of the year was a direct competitor to Intel's Bay Trail-D line, offering 25W socketable APUs with better graphics and DDR3-1600 memory, albeit single channel.
|Intel Bay Trail-D vs AMD Kabini|
|Sempron 2650||Sempron 3850||Athlon 5150||Athlon 5350|
|TDP||10 W||10 W||25 W||25 W||25 W||25 W|
|Tmax / ºC||105||105||90||90||90||90|
|Integrated Graphics||HD (Bay Trail)||HD (Bay Trail)||R3||R3||R3||R3|
AMD also competed on price, offering a motherboard and APU combo in the $65-$110 range, depending on a dual core or quad core configuration. For a comparison point the J1800N-D2H on review today retails for $69. You can read our review of the Kabini APUs here.
Back to the comparison, in terms of on paper performance the HP Stream 11 is a little down in terms of base frequency and DRAM, though does benefit from the mobility aspect, a lower TDP and the stress free 'purchase and use' that you don't get with a self-build system. That being said, a system integrator may be able to provide something very competitive.
|Intel Bay Trail-D vs Bay Trail-M|
|HP Stream 11
|TDP||10 W||7.5 W (4.5 W SDP)|
|Tmax / ºC||105||105|
|Integrated Graphics||HD (Bay Trail)||HD (Bay Trail)|
GIGABYTE J1800N-D2H Overview
Similarly to our review of the HP Stream 11, at such a low price point for an integrated system, we shouldn't expect much from the J1800N-D2H. Technically the SoC from Intel has a tray price of $72, making the motherboard worth $3 below zero. At a 10W TDP for the SoC, the motherboard combination comes with a passive heatsinks, two SATA 3 Gbps ports, a single USB 3.0 port, a Realtek network and ALC887 audio solution and a PCIe 2.0 x1 for good measure. This last factor limits some upgradeability, especially in the graphics or connectivity department but there is a mini-PCIe for a WiFi card (though this is a separate purchase).
On the layout side of the equation for the motherboard itself, the main power connector and front panel header is on the edge of the motherboard, although the mini-PCIe slot, a fan header and the two SATA ports might be compromised by any large PCIe x1 card being used.
Trying to match the HP Stream 11's price point, including a display and keyboard/mouse is tough, and when the 12 months of Office 365 is factored in, impossible unless you get most of the components from old builds or a number of refurbished parts. The big plus with going through a desktop route would be storage, allowing for a good SSD or two and potential of 8GB DRAM, though as we add in a case/power supply the overall cost might hit $200 before the display/mouse/keyboard is taken into account. I once purchased a 1024x768 VGA display for £15 delivered from eBay last year, so going down that route might be feasible. The laptop is more portable however. But desktop computing on the cheap (with more storage space) is possible with something like the J1800N-D2H.
At the sub $100 price point, it can start to get difficult to differentiate products in terms of design. When every penny goes towards functionality or research, especially on a small motherboard, it helps to start on the right foot in terms of layout. GIGABYTE take the 10W J1800 processor and understandably fit it with a passive heatsink, and due to the flexible nature of soldered-on processor-based motherboards, there is no visible x-y dimension restriction.
There are still fan headers on board in order to create a cooler system environment – the CPU fan header is a three pin in white to the left of the heatsink, and the other fan header on board is a four-pin SYS next to the SATA ports at the bottom. The power connectors are found at the top, including a 4-pin CPU power connector. The top of the motherboard also houses an LPT header near the rear panel and a COM header.
As Bay Trail-D is limited to 1333 MHz memory frequency, manufacturers do not have to adhere to XMP profile design, or limit themselves to full-sized DIMM slots. Here GIGABYTE has equipped the J1800N-D2H with two SO-DIMM slots, with the upper flipped around due to the dual channel nature of the SoC. The use of SO-DIMMs also helps keep the overall z-height down.
At the bottom of the motherboard there is a mini-PCIe for users to add in a WiFi module, the two SATA 3 Gbps ports from the SoC, and a PCIe 2.0 x1 slot that is not open ended. Typically these systems are not designed for discrete GPUs, and the chipset limits the GPU to an x1 prompting a severe bottleneck. In before ‘how about a GTX980?’! However, some PCIe 2.0 x1 GPUs do exist if extra functionality is needed.
Audio and network are supplied by Realtek, with the J1800N-D2H using an ALC887 on the former. Given that the SoC is a sizable chunk of the cost of this motherboard (assume ~$35-$40 to the manufacturer, giving a ~$25-$30 motherboard), GIGABYTE does not have a lot of room for additional controllers or upgraded audio.
The rear of the motherboard uses two separate PS/2 ports, a VGA output, a HDMI output, the sole USB 3.0 port from the SoC, four USB 2.0 ports, the gigabit Ethernet port and a trio of audio jacks.
|Chipset||Bay Trail-D Dual Core|
|Memory Slots||Two DDR3/L SO-DIMM slots supporting up to 8GB
Up to Dual Channel, 1333 MHz
|Video Outputs||VGA (2560x1600)
|Onboard Audio||Realtek ALC887|
|Expansion Slots||1 x PCIe 2.0 x1
1 x Mini-PCIe
|Onboard SATA/RAID||2 x SATA 3 Gbps|
|USB 3.0||1 x USB 3.0 (SoC) [rear panel]|
|Onboard||2 x SATA 3 Gbps
1 x USB 2.0 Header
2 x Fan Headers
1 x LPT Header
1 x COM Header
Front Audio Header
Front Panel Header
|Power Connectors||1 x 24-pin ATX
1 x 4-pin CPU
|Fan Headers||1 x CPU (3-pin)
1 x SYS (4-pin)
|IO Panel||PS/2 Keyboard Port
PS/2 Mouse Port
1 x USB 3.0
4 x USB 2.0
Realtek ALC887 Audio Jacks
|Warranty Period||3 Years|
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trivor - Friday, December 26, 2014 - linkIf all you need is a basic laptop for e-mail, web surf, light office docs (MS Office is actually too much program for this setup and I find myself using Kingsoft Office at home (even on my high powered machines) because it does all I need and is very lightweight. This would work very well on a Stream 11, 13, or 14 to do light office work - word processing, spreadsheet, or presentation. It saves in XML form - docx, xlxs, and pptx. The 11 especially is lightweight less than 3 lbs and adding a 64 or 128 USB stick or SD card would give plenty of extra storage over the 32 GB eMMC. You need to appreciate these products for what they are - Chromebook Competition. I think they will work quite well for younger kids or for a light laptop for around the house or even a work laptop (if work doesn't buy one for you) for short trips. I'm sure it would do fine on the movie front with Netflix or a nice 1 TB external drive with a movie and music collection.
Kneedragger - Friday, December 26, 2014 - linkDid you guys test the NIC at all? I bought this mobo when it came out and from the beginning had a problem moving files over my network. It would fall flat on it ass and crash when trying to stream a Blu-ray rip or move a large file over my network. I was running Win 8.1 and tried everything. I ended up buying a Asrock Q1900 itx using the same RAM and OS the problem was gone.
almostold2 - Friday, December 26, 2014 - link" I thought it best to polish of the data and see if it still relevant alongside the $200 offerings and worth the potential extra cost for a full build to fill out a motherboard in exchange for the potential extra functionality (2T2R WiFi rather than 1T1R, SATA drives rather than eMMC)."
KaarlisK - Saturday, December 27, 2014 - link"with the upper flipped around due to the dual channel nature of the SoC"
Could Ian please elaborate on this?
Pissedoffyouth - Saturday, December 27, 2014 - linkOP can't inb4
zodiacfml - Saturday, December 27, 2014 - linkI don't know what to do with this. Before, I built two desktops based on first and 2nd Gen Atoms as cheapest new desktop systems. For home use and applications, buying a cheap laptop would be better for many scenarios.
As a firewall/router maybe with a separate purchase of a NIC but then you could buy a powerful home WiFi router and install DD-WRT.
As advertisement display maybe but I would prefer implementing wireless HDMI adapters since this mini-itx would require routing of lan and power cables.
yannigr2 - Saturday, December 27, 2014 - linkA useless product with an Intel logo on it making all the difference. Remove the Intel logo, and no one will care about it.
PrinceGaz - Saturday, December 27, 2014 - linkPS/2 keyboard & mouse sockets? Are these still needed? Do people still use them? I'd rather have some more USB. Don't know if the chipset supports any more, but if not then they could always include an onboard hub from one of the existing USB2 to provide two or three more USB2 for low-bandwidth things like... a keyboard, a mouse, a printer, the lead to charge your phone and transfer data, all of which could co-exist in the available bandwidth from a single USB2 connection, so the others are free for more demanding stuff.
PrinceGaz - Saturday, December 27, 2014 - linkOh, and that Logitech MK120 you suggest requires two USB ports, one for the keyboard, one for the mouse. :p
Oxford Guy - Saturday, December 27, 2014 - linkPeople still use the old IBM M keyboards.